Bitcoin Magazine has published a new video interview with Mark Moss, host of the Market Disruptors podcast, who lays out the case for Bitcoin reaching $1 million by 2030 — even after the Federal Reserve raised interest rates, with Bitcoin continuing to climb. That backdrop is what gives the episode its hook: rate hikes are conventionally read as a headwind for risk assets, and the interview takes that tension as its starting point.

In the episode, Moss argues that most people are misreading why long-term rates are rising and suggests that a booming economy could be part of the answer. He frames the Fed’s most recent move as a “Token Raise” with a pause expected in October, and builds his rate analysis around the 5.1% 10-year yield and a flat yield curve — a setup in which short- and long-term Treasury yields converge, a condition closely watched because it shapes bank lending incentives. He contends that Bitcoin benefits from two forces at once: the debasement trade — a widely used shorthand for investors rotating into scarce assets such as Bitcoin and gold when they expect currency purchasing power to erode — and a bullish technological future.

The full episode, published on October 1, is available on Bitcoin Magazine: Mark Moss: The Bitcoin Endgame – BTC to $1 Million by 2030.

For readers new to the terminology, the chapter list doubles as a map of the episode’s macro arguments: why Bitcoin can rise while rates rise under Moss’s “Price Is Truth” framing; whether the US can grow its way out of $40 trillion in debt, a question that sits inside a broader, ongoing debate among economists and policymakers over fiscal sustainability; why Moss describes the monetary reset as a process rather than a single event; and where stablecoins fit in. On that last point, the Genius Act referenced in the interview is the US stablecoin legislation signed into law in July 2025, which established a federal regulatory framework for payment stablecoins — a development that has made dollar-linked tokens a recurring topic in discussions about global dollar demand, including Moss’s argument about why six billion people want dollars.

The episode also touches on positioning and the long arc: per the chapter listing, Moss argues institutions are buying Bitcoin while retail sells, a divergence he presents alongside the four ways out of the debt problem and the 2029–2030 window he outlines. The closing chapter grounds the $1 million figure in Bitcoin’s S-curve — the adoption pattern technology analysts often use to describe slow early uptake followed by rapid growth and eventual saturation — and its CAGR, or compound annual growth rate. For viewers tracking the themes, the markers to watch are the same ones Moss flags: how the Fed’s October decision lands, where long-term yields settle, and how stablecoin rules under the Genius Act are put into practice.

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This post first appeared on Bitcoin Magazine and is written by Patrick Green.