'When Things Go Bad, You Want to Be in China,' Says Gavekal's Louis-Vincent Gave
Key Takeaways
- •Economist Louis-Vincent Gave said at the Fortune Leaders Forum in Macau that Chinese government bonds are delivering strong returns while U.S. Treasuries are performing poorly.
- •The 10-year Chinese government bond yield is below 1.7%, far below the 4.8% yield on the 10-year U.S. Treasury note, reflecting stronger price gains for Chinese debt holders.
- •U.S. national debt has reached $40 trillion, contributing to investor wariness about Western debt and positioning Chinese bonds as a safe-haven asset.
- •Gave said China's weak GDP growth, retail sales, and investment stem from crushed consumer and business confidence, making a confidence turnaround the key signal to watch.
- •McKinsey's Ziad Haider warned that businesses face transitions beyond geopolitics—including energy, technology, demographics, and geoeconomics—citing new U.S. tariffs on Canada and Canadian retaliation taking effect Sept. 8.

The United States, with its business-friendly policies and the world's deepest, most liquid capital markets, has long been the destination of choice for global investors. But amid geopolitical turmoil and mounting concern about debt, investors may be shifting their attention toward China.
"When there's a hit to the system, do you want to be with the anti-fragile or the profit-maximizing?" economist Louis-Vincent Gave asked at the Fortune Leaders Forum in Macau on Sept. 8. "This is where increasingly the markets are starting to diverge, where you're looking at the U.S. Treasuries delivering horrible returns, and Chinese government bonds delivering very good returns."
The numbers illustrate the divergence. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Chinese government bond currently sits below 1.7%, far beneath the 4.8% offered by the 10-year U.S. Treasury note. A lower yield reflects higher bond prices, meaning investors holding Chinese government debt have seen stronger returns as yields have fallen — a dynamic driven in part by China's deflationary environment and continued monetary easing, which contrasts with the higher-rate environment in the United States. At the same time, bond investors are growing wary of debt across the Western world: U.S. national debt now stands at $40 trillion. Chinese government bonds, buoyed by deflation and a vast pool of domestic savings, are accordingly offering investors a safe-haven asset.
China is now reaping the fruits of its investments in social stability, said Gave, founding partner and CEO of Hong Kong-based financial services firm Gavekal. "Ninety percent of the time, when things go well, you want to be [invested] in the U.S," he noted. "But the 10% of the times where it goes badly, you want to be in China."
That judgment may be difficult to accept given China's weak GDP growth, retail sales, and investment. "China should be going gangbusters, and it's not," Gave said, blaming "crushed" consumer and business confidence. "The match that turns around business and consumer confidence? That's the key." For investors weighing Gave's framing, the signals to watch are the ones he himself points to: whether Chinese policymakers succeed in restoring consumer and business confidence, and how the country's property-sector troubles and stimulus efforts evolve.
Rising complexity
Even as the world fractures along geopolitical fault lines, business leaders should not fixate solely on geopolitics, argued Ziad Haider, McKinsey's global director of geopolitics. "It's not the only point of transition," he said. "We're seeing changes on the energy, technology, and demographic fronts."
Governments are also increasingly turning to geoeconomics — the strategic use of tariffs, sanctions, and industrial policy — to achieve national security goals. U.S. President Donald Trump has recently launched a new round of tariffs, targeting Canada in particular; Canada's retaliatory tariffs take effect on Sept. 8.
"Traditionally, we've thought about geopolitics as the contestation of security and political issues," Haider said, citing examples such as Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the Middle East conflict. "But that whole world of security has now been complemented by a world of geoeconomics…and the chessboard that boards have to look at on geopolitics has become significantly wider."
Both speakers identified energy as today's biggest geopolitical stress point. "The lower the cost of energy, the easier it is to produce economic growth," Gave explained. "We live in a world where the uncertainty around the energy cost has grown considerably for mostly geopolitical reasons."
Oil prices have surged since the Iran war began earlier this year, triggering energy shortages across much of Asia-Pacific. Although prices have declined since their April peak, they remain far above levels at the start of the year.
Nevertheless, Haider was optimistic that businesses can find opportunities in this more complicated political environment. Companies may view tariffs as a source of risk, but Haider argued they are also driving the creation of new trade agreements, citing the EU-Mercosur deal and ASEAN's digital economy framework agreement. Similarly, he suggested that fossil fuel constraints stemming from the war in Iran could boost demand for renewables and other types of energy.
"The greatest danger in an era of turbulence is not the turbulence itself," Haider concluded. "It's to act with yesterday's logic."
Gave, for his part, offered a simpler rule for navigating the unknown: "When it comes to Chinese policy making, I'm not paid to forecast; I'm paid to adapt," he said. "Anybody who tells you they know what goes on inside the Politburo is either delusional or lying to you."
This story was originally featured on Fortune.com.